The subject of can a gay person even be christian is something I find… shallow. some cases its a deep seeded hatred, more often sheer ignorance of certain truths. I myself am not one to pander, nor have any good thing to say about the LGBT so called ‘community’. Rather my interest is in the individual seeking christ or simply comfort in a world full of mixed political agendas.
Yes of course you can be gay and a christian. More than that, let me give you some meat on the subject so you understand where scripture is coming from on this position…. It’s not so much there’s strings attached, it’s just I myself am a rationalist – and if you are too, I gather you also want something better then a “feel good message”. The best way to confront this issue is just the facts of scripture, in order as scripture explains the issue. Most people don’t really like facts of the matter, but rest assured I won’t spare you from the simple truth. I’ll be using the ESV Bible, though if you prefer KJV is also recommended
I’m not very good at feel good messages, so I wont bother:
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. – Leviticus 18:22
Here we see the law as it is written. What is interesting is the way it’s worded ‘you shalt not lie with a male as with a woman’. Right here at the beginning were not talking about homosexuality parse, more like bisexuality. Ask yourself this, if you are married to a woman, why are you screwing other men? Or for the matter if you are gay guy married to another guy, why are you sleeping with woman?
The word choice for this is I think something we already know about the bible. Relationships are about monogamy. but theres more to this. Look at the dictionary for the definition of abomination:
abomination: a thing that causes disgust or hatred a feeling of hatred.
“If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. If a man lies with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal…… Leviticus 20: 10-15
David and Jonathan
This gets brought up a lot, and of course your average legalist will deny it profusely. The thing is, scripture is in no way unclear – these 2 were not just ‘best friends’, and like I said before I don’t know how to make something sound…. ‘better’… so I won’t bother.
1 Samuel 18 – 22 can only be described as a ‘Broke Back Mountain’ style love story. I encourage a gay christian to read it in full for themselves, I’m just going to pick out the nuts and bolts that illustrate the point scripture is conveying.
As soon as he had finished speaking to Saul, the soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. And Saul took him that day and would not let him return to his father’s house. Then Jonathan made a covenant with David, because he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was on him and gave it to David, and his armor, and even his sword and his bow and his belt. And David went out and was successful wherever Saul sent him, so that Saul set him over the men of war. And this was good in the sight of all the people and also in the sight of Saul’s servants. – 1 Samuel 18: 1-5
Right at the start scripture isnt holding back
“The soul of Jonathon was knit to the soul of David”
Next we see:
“saul wont let him (david) return to his fathers house”
“Jonathon made a covenant with David”
“Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was on him and gave it to David, and his armor, and even his sword and his bow and his belt”
This is a biblical gay wedding my friend. the real giveaway is “Soul knit to the soul of david” – This is how the bible poetically describes marriage – not just in this case, but in every case people are getting married. The other giveaway is that they made a “Covenant” – the word covenant is a big deal in scripture, and indeed also refers to a marriage agreement. And whats really telling is David is not allowed to return to his fathers house… When 2 people are married, they live with each other. we see all of this very language earlier in genesis
Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. -Genesis 2:24
Keep in mind, this is a royal wedding. of course it’s in front of the entire kingdom. Everyone saw the wedding of David and Jonathon, and considered a good thing at the end. The thing is…. This foundation is very important because it wasnt some deep dark secrete David and Jonathan were an item.
Saul, the king, absolutely hated David…. Traditionally, interpreted because David was so much better at fighting in war then he was. But examine the story a bit more closely almost immediately after the wedding, Saul goes insane. First he tries to kill him, next he convinces David to marry his daughter. Next in chapter 19 he tries to kill him again. Jonathan tries to protect David by sneaking him out of the house. they run away…. and I will just let you read the love story for yourself in 1 Samuel 18 – 22. There is highs and lows and all kinds of drama…. I wasn’t kidding about it being ‘Broke Back Mountain’
The Tragic End.
1 samuel leaves us off at the battle of the Amalekites where King saul, and Jonathan are killed. in the next book, 2 Samuel a messenger comes to David and tells him of their death. In his distress David cries out a whole speach about saul and jonathon to his army ending it with a peculiar thing to say:
I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women. 2 Samuel 1:26
So the thing is. Gay weddings are perfectly scriptural. This thing about David and Jonathan, It’s not a new discussion – I think a lot of modern Christians think so, but it’s been considered common knowledge throughout history. Though in the Renaissance the clergy took it to mean david was clearly just a sinner… Which indeed he was in more ways then just being gay. David was a person who could not control his hormones, It got him in trouble with God on several occasions. So whether he was gay or just promiscuous I couldn’t tell you. I can tell you, that even he broke the law of Moses, and it was his faith in God that was what accounted him to favor with God.
What is this thing Marriage?
The same day Sadducees came to him, who say that there is no resurrection, and they asked him a question, saying, “Teacher, Moses said, ‘If a man dies having no children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up offspring for his brother.’ Now there were seven brothers among us. The first married and died, and having no offspring left his wife to his brother. So too the second and third, down to the seventh. After them all, the woman died. In the resurrection, therefore, of the seven, whose wife will she be? For they all had her.”
But Jesus answered them, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. And as for the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God: ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not God of the dead, but of the living.”And when the crowd heard it, they were astonished at his teaching. – Matthew 22: 23-33
The reason I give you this whole scene is because I want to emphasize context…. This is not a Gay issue, so much as an everybody issue. The Sadducees were questioning the resurrection of the dead, and they assume when someone is married on earth they are also married in heaven after they are dead…. In this case they are asking about a woman who has been married multiple times due to her multiple husbands dieing and she just keeps getting re married…. Well it a fair enough question really.
Jesus tells us it’s no big deal how often we marry on earth. It doesn’t carry over to the next life anyway (Resurrection to be specific)…. Essentially. Also we won’t be getting remarried in the resurrection either, nor will we procreate. This is a key point on the whole marriage concept – it really is. It’s doubtful we will even have a gender when all is said and done. and yet I would be remissed to ignore the point of marriage as described in scripture.
1 Corinthians 7 talks about all the reasons for marriage and it begins with:
Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. – 1 Corinthians 7: 1-5
Now this whole thing about sex being the point of marriage goes on for about half the chapter actually. The main point of an earthly marriage isn’t so rosey lensed. It’s a means to succumb to our urges without committing sexual immorality. Its a way to keep our drives under control.
So with this expanded view, that’s often ignored, It makes a great deal of sense that when we are resurrected into christ’s kingdom – We will be made perfect, without these urges, and without marriage altogether. It just so happens that in the mean time were stuck with them.
In the case of Homosexuality, if the couple can remain monogamous, in the strictest of scripture. Sure gay people can get married why not?
Marriage is between a man and a woman.
Both of the mentioned scripture defines marriage as man and woman…. yet not really. We saw David and Jonathan married under all the other definitions of marriage. To be honest I think the writer (Paul and Matthew) is speaking in broad general terms to convey a much larger point. This isn’t a law or edict being passed in it’s context its just an explanation of an abstract points. So in that I don’t really see a conflict – however I will leave it to the reader to judge with that said.
So with that said
I have likely pissed everyone off with this run down. Excuse me for just telling it like it actually is according to scripture, to the very best of my knowledge. I could easily add on to this, but 4 controversies is enough for one day. 🙂 However, this article is not for the heterosexual audience. It’s meant for the gay guy out there struggling with his faith and scripture.
It is to you, I can only say I know this world will twist your understanding in all kinds of ways. You are a homosexual in a straight world, and with that there’s all kinds of political agendas out there that distort the facts of scripture. Trust no one, including myself – though I bear no agenda other then truth to the best of my ability. God gave you a brain, you had better use it and judge all things to the best of your ability with discernment. Fact check and reason for yourself, and let the spirit guide you in your soul searching. We are not exactly walking on thin ice here In my opinion, but it is my opinion. Love your spouse as best you can and I hope he/she loves you back. What is most important above all things, is your faith that God will always lead you’re understanding if you let him.